Donna Karan on the Current Fashion System: "We're Killing Our Own Industry"

Fri, 02/05/10 — 07:10:39 PM

>> Last night, in honor of two new graduate degrees at Parsons which she helped initiate, Donna Karan sat down with FIT's Valerie Steele for a little chat before a sold-out audience in the school's auditorium. Karan, who has also been a major proponent of updating the fashion schedule, explained how she proposes the changes be made:

It's very simple, we just stop. It is not nuclear science, it's really simple.  We deliver Fall clothes in August like back-to-school, we change the calendar, we go to stores and say, 'Okay, no more getting Fall clothes in July or June so they're on sale in September when the weather hasn't changed. We have to go into a system where we're talking in-season. It's the way we eat, it's the way we dress, it's the way we think. We've conditioned the consumer to buy on sale — I don't want to buy it full price because I can buy it on sale . . . We've turned our business into the white sale business.

She not only wants to change the clothing delivery schedule, but also the fashion show schedule.

"When I launched my company, the shows were in April and May, now they're in February. So my question to this industry, and I say it to myself for my own company: Why am I showing clothes in February? I don't want the consumer to see next week [at New York Fashion Week] what is going to be in stores in Fall, because it's confusing. In the movie industry, the consumer doesn't know about the movies until they're ready to come out. Why do we give the consumer so much information about fashion six or seven months beforehand? It makes no sense to me."

And she wants the fashion shows to be industry-only.

"We need fashion shows, but that's industry, it's not for the general public. All the communication has to stop. It doesn't go out on the wire, it doesn't go out on the Internet, it doesn't get out for the manufacturers to copy the designs. I mean, we're killing our own industry . . . There's too much information going out there. We have to learn the word restriction."

On first starting out:

"I will always remember being told, 'Oh, you'll never be a fashion designer.' Before being a designer I actually wanted to be a fashion illustrator. I went to Women's Wear Daily for a job, and they said, 'Oh, I don't think you should take up fashion illustration.' So there I was, not knowing what to do, I just felt unwanted."

On her education:

"I almost didn't graduate high school."

And at Parsons (which she dropped out of to work at Anne Klein after two years):

"I failed draping and had to go to summer school."

On her design philosophy:

"I think when I'm designing I hope that I'm creating pieces that have longevity. Maybe the shoulders get a little bit bigger or smaller, the hemlines go up and down, but it's classic.  It's like a man's wardrobe [in practicality], but the sensuality and power of a woman."

On the future of fashion:

"I think there's been a shift in a fashion designer's approach to fashion. The old system is 'Let's create a dress, let's put it down the runway, that's the end of it.'  I think it's far more complicated right now . . .I think we're on the cusp of something major.  I really think conscious consumerism is where it's at . . . There are so many more messages out there than just, 'This is the hot new item of the season.' There has to be consciousness within the clothing . . . and something that people want to wear, something that makes them feel good, feel good on the outside and feel good on the inside."

On going green:

"It's hard to talk about black and work that way organically, so it's a learning curve."

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posted by
Fri, 02/05/2010 - 7:43pm

Great Interview!


posted by
Fri, 02/05/2010 - 7:45pm

Great Interview Laughing out loud


Fri, 02/05/2010 - 8:25pm

I love what Karan has to say here, especially about the show and delivery schedules. I wonder, is there a full transcript of this discussion anywhere?


posted by KimmyDavisdotComme
Fri, 02/05/2010 - 9:26pm

Donna is timeless and elegant and fashion-forward...and she's always been about dressing a women to make them look their best. She's on the side of the 'people', not the fashion industry. She is being realistic.


posted by Anonymous
Sat, 02/06/2010 - 8:16am

There are a few problems with her thoughts about how the show schedule could be revised.

1) If shows don't happen until say, August for the Fall/Winter lines, then the clothes won't end up in the magazines, because magazines need several months of lead time to shoot clothes for each issue. Even if the entire fashion world suddenly becomes internet-friendly (ha!), and paper issues go away, shoots still need to be organized and photos need to be edited (and issues assembled). It's not a quick process.

2) Designers gain more than they lose from the buzz generated by the instant delivery of their designs to the internet (via bloggers, runway photographers, style.com, etc.). It's instant advertising, it doesn't cost them a cent, and it bypasses the mass-market magazines (which dictate that unless a designer advertises with them, they won't get pages). The genie is not going back in the box, and if Karan were paying more attention, she'd realize it.


posted by abhinav misra
Sat, 02/06/2010 - 9:03am

the sounds INTERVIEW SOUNDS GREAT ... VERY NEW THOUGH.. THAT IS SOMETHING TO BE APLAUDED..the real thing is that the fashion industry is running in a race with its own self trying to best ech other hence pushing the limits for ourselves and straining ourselves. it's always good to step back and think but its very difficult to change the direction of such a big industry. if you start your mechandise later for fall - you will be full priced while your competetiors are all on sale ... thats a tough situation.. to deal with unless you have a great brand following.


posted by layers&swathes
Sat, 02/06/2010 - 1:45pm

How poignant she is.

We are literally mind-numbingly skipping through season after season that fashion has just been about getting as far ahead as possible without enjoying it or giving us time to even understand it!

http://layersandswathes.wordpress.com


posted by Zazie's
Sat, 02/06/2010 - 3:56pm

That's interesting but probably controversial! Especially regarding not giving information to the buyers because fashion isn't only about getting dressed, but mostly about all the glamour about knowing the new trends before anyone, having exclusive information, etc... so that might hurt fashion press/communication industry for sure.


posted by KateSouth
Sat, 02/06/2010 - 7:07pm

I think she makes some good points. From a copyright point of view, protecting the designs until they are produced and ready to go to the stores would offer more protection. However, I love being able to see the shows online and comment on each of them. I do love her persistence, even after being told she would never be a designer, to succeed and prove people wrong.


posted by Pret-a-rever.com
Sun, 02/07/2010 - 4:32pm

Donna Karen isn't suggesting that the buyers would not attend the shows, nor is she saying that Fall runways should show in August. Press from credible bloggers and interent sites is one thing, the highstreet getting replicas of your winning pieces within 2 weeks of your shows is another. I agree there needs to be tighter control, and also that is is very confusing for consumers. They will soon start adopting the industry mentality (where we are always one season ahead - and forget what year it is!) One good solution seems to be what designers like Burberry and Max Azria did this season (and brands like Hlaston before them) is to retail key pieces as a limited edition on their ecommerce sites, either straight after show - or in a couple of week's time. Either sell your pieces earlier, or show them/retail them later. Also, let's not forget the commercial power of pre-collections


posted by pret-a-rever
Sun, 02/07/2010 - 4:49pm

Great piece btw so thanks for posting. Apologies for the typos. Anyone who has ever posted a comment on here will appreciate the difficulty of 'typing blind', half your text dissappears beyond the box....eeek!


posted by
Sun, 02/07/2010 - 6:58pm

I love DKNY!


posted by universal_dandy
Sun, 02/07/2010 - 9:52pm

Wonderful interview! I appreciate Ms. Karan's tenacity and drive to pursue her dreams despite the industry nay sayers(for such an industry of "visionaries", this business can be so shortsighted), almost not finishing high school, and failing draping at Parsons. Its kind of ironic that she failed the first time around, because she's know for it! I will admit that, what she has suggested is controversial, and will take sometime to impliment(with some major industry backing), it can be done. Lets watch the ripple affects.


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